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Servidor,
Thanks again for responding. Although, in this round I was quite disappointed at your ability
to address head on the specific questions to which I asked you to respond.
Forgiveness:
It is quite amusing to see you try
so hard to ‘explain’ these verses away.
Even after quoting all of your authentic hadith, it seems your scholars
still don’t go as far as you do in proclaiming that you have a sure promise of
forgiveness.
26:82 "The Lord of the
Worlds...Who will cause me to die and then to live (Abraham believes this and
is sure of it); and Who, I hope (atma'u), will forgive me my sins
on the day of judgement."
66:8 "O ye who believe, Repent
toward Allah with a sincere repentance. It may be ('asa an) that your
Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and admit you to gardens beneath which
rivers flow."
17:57 "even those (the angels and prophets) who
are nearest. They hope (yarjuna) for his mercy and fear his wrath."
Two
explanations you give: “may be” is
talking only about the ‘effects of sin’, and “hope” is the same as ‘trust and
confidence’ which is just the same thing as ‘promise’.
Your
Shia commentary and hadith DO say that “may be” is referring to the effects of
sin. But they DO NOT say that it refers
to ONLY the effects of sin. So quoting
them don’t prove your point. According
to Surah 66:8 above, in order to be admitted to paradise, one will need to have
his sins remitted. The “may be” in this
verse is modifying BOTH ‘remittance of sin’ AND ‘admittance to paradise’.
It
even a longer stretch for you to say that “hope” is equivalent to
“promise”. You are right, “hope” does
mean something that is “expected”. But
that is not all that it means. Again,
you leave out the rest of the definition.
To clarify, hope is to “wish for something with expectation of its
fulfillment” and “something you desire to occur”. Yes, it IS an expectation, but only because you WISH it to
happen.
So
in Islam forgiveness is only hoped for.
But in Christianity is that and more:
it is KNOWN, because it is promised.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son
of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may
believe on the name of the Son of God.
F. Questions:
Forgiveness, and continuing Sin:
FC. Questions:
Perfection:
I think you need to re-read what I wrote I this
section. You are trying to say the
exact same thing as I am, but because you are so prone to disagreeing with
everything I write, you need to shout a create a fit that what I say is
preposterous. This is quite humorous.
Sacrifice and Justice:
Are you still arguing that Judaism didn’t
require blood as atonement for sin? You
should go back and read the Torah.
Step 1. Judaism: Sacrifice innocent blood (animals) as a propitiation for the
transgressor of the law.
Step 2. Christianity: Christ died (being without sin: innocent) as an eternal lamb that would satisfy the Jewish law of atonment.
Step 3. Islam: Proclaim that God is merciless and bloodthirsty if he requires a substitute to bear the consequences of your sin so you can go free.
Conclusion: Islam is NOT a continuance of Judaism and Christianity. It is a cult that perverts the true way God has operated all throughout time. If you are so adamant about proclaiming that sacrifice is preposterous, that is fine. Just don’t claim to be descendents of the religion of Abraham. You are worshipping a DIFFERENT god.
Trinity:
I’m amazed at your double standard. You tell me NOT to quote Sunni Hadith,
because is it akin to quoting the Book of Mormon for Christians. But her you go, quoting the Unitarians to me
to comment on what the Bible really says.
I think you should do a little more research on
these arguments below. I bet you didn’t
even read the responses to them when researching these Bible verses. The Unitarians have the weakest exegetical
excuses for not accepting what is CLEARLY written in the Bible. Their greek is flawed and their
cross-references are wholely out of context.
Here are a few scriptures to chew on. Jesus was almost stoned multiple times because he proclaimed to be God. Finally, Jesus was killed for this very reason. Take note of why the Jews wanted to kill Jesus. Because it was blasphemy to call oneself God.
Mark 14:61-64
But
he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and
said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? [62] And Jesus
said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power,
and coming in the clouds of heaven. [63] Then the high priest rent his
clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? [64] Ye have heard
the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be
guilty of death.
Mark 12:35-37
And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David? [36] For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. [37] David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
John 8:52-59
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. [53] Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? [54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: [55] Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. [56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
John 10:32-33
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Theologians:
So when I asked you what beliefs of mines the Christian Theologians disagree, you respond:
1. Lying.
2. Dreams as examples of trinity.
3. Hiding evidences.
I asked you for DOCTRINES. You basically gave me virtues. It seems that you cannot come up with any
THEOLOGY that contradicts. But I’m still curious…. I sincerely want to know what doctrines of mine don’t align with mainstream Christian theology. You’re the one who made the statement. If you cannot back it up, it will quickly seem plain to everyone that you are the one really making up lies.
By the way, can’t we just have a professional and sincere conversation?? Why is it that name calling and accusations frequently characterize you responses? Is the content of you argument so lacking that emotional distractions need cover the scholarly shortcomings?
I hope that we can start having more decent conversations that can reflect the love of Christianity, and the so-called “peace” that Islam supposedly represents. I enjoy respectful discussion. Let us both work toward that sentiment while seeking truth.
Thanks.
For the Glory of Christ.
